Auphonic still does leveling and loudness in one pass for a few bucks. Is a cloud service like that a better deal than learning a compressor?

20:38got all that much to to choose from not not uh not that you can use them all at the same time you can use them uh individually and they also have this cool little stage box that's kind of fun anyway Anyway, let's go to the next question. Okay. I'm sorry, Courtney. I just saw you popped up. Just skip right over me. No, you popped up right when I was showing the screen.

21:00So go ahead and do your little comment. I was just going to say, I will quickly say, one thing I noticed about was it has automatic mic mixing built in for, I don't know if it's Dan Dugan quality, but it does have an automatic mic mixer. So for doing the live conferences with roundtable type discussions, it could be good for doing that.

21:19All right. All right, let's move on to the next question from Paul Valhus in Austin, Texas. Alphonic does leveling and loudness in one pass for a few bucks. Is a cloud service like that a better deal than learning to use a compressor? Any answer? Bill Davis. Paul, I know you don't mean this question that you asked the way I was thinking about

21:44it, but when I first read it, I went, wait, what? But I don't – and this is just me and maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I don't think you can call yourself at all competent at audio if you ever have that attitude of better than learning a compressor. I mean there are these fundamental things in audio that you just can't escape. And I don't care how well AI does in the future in terms of fix my audio prompts.

22:12prompts, things like compressing, leveling, there's just half a dozen other things that if you don't understand them, you're always going to be in deep trouble if you approach any kind of audio recording and playback. So I know you really didn't mean is some cloud thing better than learning a compressor. But I just, for anybody who's new and trying to get into audio, please don't try to show,

22:40I know it's complicated and I know these looking at waveforms and figuring out why the tops of these spikes are cut off and does that matter seems hard. But it really is square one. And if you don't understand some of these concepts at a fundamental level, you're going to be struggling your entire career in my opinion. And there's no reason to do that.

23:03Jeff Kahn? I know you didn't really mean that, but good luck. Jeff Kahn? Let me play devil's advocate. One of my favorite pastimes. Now, personally, personally, I agree 100% with Bill, but there are lots of people that need that result that are not audio people. They're podcasters, they're, you know, content creators, whatever you want to call them today. And they do horrible recordings, but they want to get it out there.

23:34So, you know, I don't think it's such a bad thing that there are some amazing tools to get them from horrible to, wow, that's an amazing difference. Now, it's not great, but it's, again, wow, what an amazing difference from what you really recorded, which is horrible. These guys, Afonik is, a lot of folks use them. So I was looking because I think it's Podbean is just one of them.

24:01So even if you don't necessarily even know it, unless you're paying for the tier that lets you upload actually raw because it takes more disk space, they don't want it, then they're going to compress the heck out of it and they're going to run it through tools like this so you automatically get a whole bunch of stuff, you know, not just the leveling.

24:22And frankly, nowadays, any of the tools that are kind of like an all-in-one recording, Riverside or anything else that you may be doing content with are going to do this. Now, that said, if you're doing real recording like Bill is talking about, I think it's silly to have to pass it off to different software. If you're really trying to do a good recording, then, as Bill explained,