Extra Hours | Episode 112 | October 12, 2026

0:00 Hello everyone and welcome to Extra Hours. I'm Guy Cochrane filling in for our Australian friend who couldn't be here this evening. That is Grant Whitehead and today we got a couple people from different parts of the country here in the US and one from Europe. Let's start with the European. Oliver, you've been up to date. Hey, lots of lots of interesting things like white coding stuff.

0:30 And or as we as we decided earlier, it's now called AI engineering. So SI engineering. Yes, I. And it's pretty great to hear you say that because you're a real developer. I mean, like you have real apps in the app store that people pay real money for and like really, yeah, there's like 20 decades of experience. You're not just some dude. Yeah, and I'm frankly scared because you now can make an app over the weekend that used to take a year of engineering.

1:11 And I've done a couple of those over the past couple of months. And it's a lot of fun. I mean, you know, I enjoy it very much, but it's like, you know, what's going to happen when people don't need to buy software anymore that we make and sell? Yeah, it's going to be interesting. You become an Uber driver and then that job gets taken, too, by that robot.

1:39 Yes, automatic driving. I have a Tesla on order for the full self-driving feature, which I tried out when I was in Australia earlier this year. And, yeah. Well, we did it when you came here in the U.S. I rode in the back of the Tesla and took a nap and got abruptly woken up. As it almost crashed into a lorry. And I had to remind our driver that he needs to take the wheel when something happens.

2:12 We'll chat more about the self-driving and AI stuff as we move along. Let's go down to Courtney Gooden in Hollywood, California. How are you doing, Courtney? Hey, we have all those automated drivers. We have Waymos. Every time I step out my front door, there's a Waymo. I'm over down there. You hear them going, Bo? And now they have two different types of cars.

2:32 The, uh, uh, the, uh, uh, what are they called? The Jaguar. The Jaguar. And then the Ojais, the new ones, which look kind of like a Volkswagen. Looks like a little, uh, VW camper shell or something. You know, it's kind of a square back. kind of you must have got a good deal those must not be selling well or something yeah they come out of china they're a chinese manufacturer oh so it's not the volkswagen

2:55 no that's wild because i know we'll talk a little bit about cs uh byd is that the big big chinese producer yeah uh yeah it's funny because like in 2016 i remember seeing those and it's so weird to see things like this now in vegas that we saw um they're actually in use like Like at all the hotels, you see them driving around.

3:16 No steering wheel. Yeah, Zooks. But, man, this is why I love going to CES. And we'll jump over to Jeffrey Powers, who I know he's going to go to CES this year. What's going on, Jeffrey? Oh, yeah. It's better to have a Waymo than a Moway, which is a Three Stooges car. So, yeah, I saw the latest Waymos at CES or NAB or whatever show that was.

3:40 But I've never been in a Waymo. I was in a car at the Ford track back in 20 something. It was one of their first prototype vehicles. And let me tell you, that was not a fun experience. Courtney's got the picture pulled up for that unit now. That's an interesting looking one. I'd ride in it. I know some people are a little afraid of them, but, and you have every right to, because

4:08 they are a little strange to ride in. I'll have to pull up the video and put it in our Discord of me. I'll have to bleep out the expletives because it was an interesting experience. Yeah. I also just watched the episode of Silicon Valley where Jared gets in one of the Hooli driverless cars and gets put into a container. Yeah, yeah. Going to a private island.

4:35 Yeah. Yeah. I thought you were going to say the episode where he's like, I don't want doors that go like this. And he slams the door. He's like, I need doors that go like this. This is your doors. I haven't gotten there yet. I see Zach's getting a little comfy. Zach, how are you doing up there in the Northwest? You're my Northwest neighbor.

4:52 Yeah, things are great up here. The temperature finally started coming down and it's nice and comfy in the afternoons. But in the morning, it's pretty cold. Have you been on some productions lately? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I got some pretty steady clients right now that have us, you know, pretty busy throughout the week. But we've been doing lots of news hits, things like that.

5:12 So I also did a Bass Pro Shops live stream not too long ago and some other off-road racing stuff. Wow. So how is it out there? What's the tales from the field? How's production life? I think I've successfully figured out how to crash and overload pretty much every size of vMix instance on AWS Cloud. So my last big show. Bare metal 32X.

5:43 Well, not bare metal. I can't afford that. But yeah, I think the last show, the big show I did on Bass Pro, I was using seven instances to submix and do six different shows. Wow. Wow. I think that might be a plug for VizRT, now sponsored by VizRT, where you can add more. I will say that the VizRT, if you get a chance to get online and spin up a VizRT instance,

6:11 it is very, very, very efficient. And it's pretty impressive how much horsepower they can throw through the instance in the cloud and still not be overloading the resources. It's pretty impressive. So when you say you had seven, can you walk us through that workflow? Were they feeding the sub switches? So you had what, like seven feeds coming into one SRT ingest? Yeah. So there was six total shows.

6:37 I guess my number was wrong. There were six shows. So that's six instances for the main mix for each of those shows. And then there was a master control doing the streaming for the main show. There was like a main production and then five sub production. So the main production had a master control with failover. Um, and so there was a redundant, uh, feed for that as well.

6:59 Um, companion servers and all that stuff. Um, but basically there was also a multi-view using the, uh, Atractus multi-view, um, system. Oh, cool. So you use Atractus. Nice. Yeah. That's working well. And then that when you have 30 cameras, um, on boats and then you have post-cam feeds and various other parts of that, drones, things like that. Um, the only way to really keep an eye on the storyline is to see all of it.

7:26 So you need to know when someone's getting a fish on or whatever. And so one of the cool things we did on that show is we also had HDMI out of the, um, the radar, the, the sonar for underwater. Um, and so we would composite those together with the guys fishing and you would see the lures and the fish and all that stuff happening on the screen at the same time.

7:45 That's pretty cool. Maybe you could pull it up. If somebody makes it a question, uh, you could pull that up. Is it publicly available on YouTube or something? Yeah, if you go to Bass Pro Shops. And I don't remember what it was called. Now it's sponsored by Bass Pro Shops. Get your lures here. Oh, sorry. One day. One day. I'll pull it up.

8:05 Okay. So we've got some questions piling up in the queue. Our reader today is Courtney Gooden. Let's go ahead and jump over to the first question. All righty. First comes in from Toronto, Canada. Craig Kadoki asks, has anyone looked into REA or reverse engineering anything? What software would you like to be able to create your own API for? Kick us off, Courtney.

8:35 Well, you know, I've been looking at this company called Artcraft, which has been turning out these clones, reverse engineered clones of all the Adobe products. You've probably heard a lot of scum about them from Artcraft. They cloned all of the Adobe apps. But then, you know, I started looking down. You know, they've got Photoshop cloned and Illustrator and Lightroom and Adobe Premiere.

8:58 But now they have also cloned Microsoft Word. They've cloned Pro Tools here in Soundcraft. Is that Mimo Live? Did they clone Mimo? Oh, just kidding. I'm waiting for Oliver to jump on. I haven't seen Mimo Live yet, but we're waiting for that. They're coming after you, Oliver. There's DeckCraft, which is PowerPoint. There's PowerPoint. There's AutoCAD. It's cloned. AutoCAD even? That's like three grand or something crazy.

9:24 I think it's a preliminary version. So they've vibe coded all of these things using reverse engineering. And they all support MCP so they can now all be addressed and controlled by bots. So that's very cool. And the one thing I didn't see on there and all of them that have been rewritten in rust Which is of course cross-platform. So all of these apps are available for Windows Mac and Linux

9:52 GitHub and they're all open source. So they're all on github and they're being updated every couple hours You gotta keep updating because there's there's quite a few bugs in them. They're they're out there pre alpha I mean they're alpha versions, but I mean they were just created a few weeks ago. So So, you know, it took Adobe how many years to develop Photoshop to the state that it is now?

10:15 30 years? Yeah. I mean, I was taking Photoshop classes in college and that was in 1995. And I was already out in the workforce in 95. And it was version, we didn't have layers. We just got layers that year. I think it was two or three. Yeah. It was very early on. Because I think one came out in like 1990 or something.

10:36 Yeah. That's a lot of years for them to evolve and for somebody to just come in and just grab it. Well, the thing that I haven't seen vibe coded yet, and I'm waiting for them to vibe code, is Final Cut Pro. Because if anyone needs to be taken down, is there, you know, garden written applications that only run on one particular platform that needs to be spread across multiple platforms for Linux and Windows and written in Rust?

11:05 I think I think they should start working on that right right now that and keynote I'd love to see they've got PowerPoint cloned in there. But how about keynote with all the smooth smooth? Moves and things and bills that they do in keynote Maybe they could do that work on that next. Okay art space. The the gauntlet has been thrown Yeah, all right, Jeffrey. What do you got to say about this one? Yeah

11:31 Yeah, I was going to talk about that too. The biggest problem that people have been finding is that the, like there was a video I was watching. He was using Photoshop and that version of Photoshop. What's it called? Whatever it was. But the one thing that. Photocraft. Photocraft. Thank you. Thank you. But the thing that the problem is that if you go to make any type of adjustments, like let's say you're doing some color checking or something.

12:00 like that and you're moving the the dials around you're gonna actually see the compression come in on the picture so what it'll do is you start moving the like let's say you have an alpha channel or not an alpha channel but a blue channel or something like that and you start moving it up and down the whole picture goes really blurry until you stop and then it goes back there anymore

12:21 I downloaded it and tested and I didn't see that behavior it may depend on what hardware you have it yeah it's definitely on that but there there are Yeah, there's definitely some things that make me think, you know, okay, if I want to try this, I will do this. But if I'm in a major production, if I'm putting together one of my videos, I don't know if I want to have something go wrong.

12:45 Like, you know, if I'm making a ton of cuts and the next thing I know, it just completely corrupts the file. So I have faith that they're going to get it so it's to the point where there's stability to it. and to the point where I'm like, okay, I will use that. But right now, a lot of this stuff, a lot of the reverse engineering

13:05 of vibe coding that I've been doing has been just basically small things like how to put together links and put together simple things, transcriptions. This week, I'm going to be putting out a video on, I decided to vibe code this game right here, which is called Expo Survival. And what it is is basically you're at an expo like CES, and you've got to visit every single booth.

13:34 You've got to find your friends, which are blue shirts, and you've got to watch out for the vendors and these red shirt people. And then the person in the yellow coat down here is like a CEO that you have to find. So I can't finish the level until I find some more blue shirts from there. But that's basically it. Oop, I just killed myself.

13:52 So that's that's what I've been vibe coding. But there's been a lot of other apps that I've been working on that help with not only Without not only doing video but also through a lot of YouTube things So you can put out snippets and clips and everything like that. So people can check out your videos a little bit more Awesome, let's go on to the next question

14:21 All right. Next question comes in from Yeshua Bell from Antigua and Barbuda. Says, I'm doing AV for a small hybrid international human rights conference requiring picture-in-picture sign interpretation, but local providers may be hard. Could VRI work as an alternative, and what would you recommend or suggest for services, et cetera? room yeah there's a couple people in our community that might be able to help i know that uh tucker

14:53 dragoo and uh jonas have done some of this where we've had folks come in to zoom breakout rooms and be able to have feeds that got placed over the top uh i believe robert sababadi in poland does this as well on a pretty big level it depends on if you need it for in the room so like when and I've done some of them here, we'll just have one camera parked.

15:18 Usually there'll be two because it gets tiring after a while. You'll have two interpreters, one either sitting down and waiting to take place or one on the other side so they could go back and forth. So you're going to have to just do some planning. But if you don't have local folks, I mean, Antigua, I'm not sure how big of a pool of talent you have to be able to do that.

15:39 It is a talent. So being able to do it remotely probably sounds like your best bet. but if you're doing in room onto projection displays, you're going to have to figure out a way to get that zoom feed using like zoom ISO or something to push that and pip it over the top. So you got, you definitely have some testing to do. This is,

15:57 this is a good place to ask. Uh, but also, um, inside of our discord is, uh, Jonas and Tucker and those guys. So I would reach out to them and Courtney, what do you think? I did do a little research here just while we were talking there, There is a company called Sorenson that does virtual ASL interpreting. So ASL that could come in over a virtual feed that you could put up on a screen on a monitor.

16:24 So they do it in real time virtually. So I think it's sorenson.com enterprise slash video remote interpreting or VRI is what they call it. So take a look for it at sorenson.com. Maybe they can provide you with services. I'm sure it's not free. but they may have the interpreters that can handle it for you. They probably do it from their homes and zooming in.

16:51 Yeah, the folks when I was helping out, they were all from home, and they just came into a breakout room. So we had an instance for the return. So it was all done in the cloud. There was like seven vMix instances where each interpreter came in, and actually these guys were just doing closed captioning, I believe. That's what they were doing. because yeah in this instance that i'm thinking of it wasn't asl but it'd be the same workflow

17:16 where they're able to see and hear program their feed then got piped into another spot in this case we had uh we had to give them urls for their i don't even remember what it was called but there was a feed that they set back in that was unique for that stream so yeah i'm interested to see how this all turns out because the stuff that I've done, it's all been on site. It wasn't a hybrid,

17:43 but it sounds like if this is a small international human rights conference that you're not going to get everything you want that you would get with the big, you know, thousand plus people ones. But look up Robert Sababity in either our Discord or on LinkedIn. I'm sure he'll be able to help as well. All right, let's go to the next question. All right, next question comes in from Zach

18:05 Jeffers in Spokane, Washington. And here on the panel, it says, I have a fishing story. Sounds fishy to me. I don't know. Yeah, it was, it was, it was anyways. The yeah. So I found the video so I can switch over to it. So this is a, an example of you know, what was going on. We had, you can see a camera on the right-hand side there.

18:34 looking closer to the guy that's fishing. We had lower thirds that would pop in and out. And this guy, somebody should be pulling up a fish here shortly. But we had, again, we had multiple ops mixing multiple shows, and then we had chesty cams. So you could see them reeling in the fish or changing their tackle. He's pulling up a fish right now.

18:58 And having, you know, each guy, Here's an example of the sonar on the camera and a remote boat shot of the guys fishing. But it was very interesting to kind of pull this all together because I was mixing the main show. And then I had my other ops mixing the sub shows, which were going out to each guy's channel. And then mine was going to bass.

19:24 And then they would call out over comms action on, you know, boat one, action on boat two, whatever the case was. so we could keep track of all the action, right? So this was a very short fishing tournament. Normally fishing tournaments would go for, you know, four, six hours or so. This was a very short one, like two, three hours. And you'll see this guy laying down on the boat right here.

19:46 Every time they would catch a fish over four pounds, they would sit one of the fishermen out. So each angler had an air pod in their ear and that was connected to unity. And so that unity connection could then feed from the hosts and the hosts could call out anybody they wanted at any time during the production. So it was a kind of a cool concept because they were able to steer the show the way they wanted to, but also interact with the fishermen from, you know, the lodge on shore.

20:16 And it was really cool to interact with them. And then every single person that got a big bass sat the same guy down. So the guy sat down pretty much the whole bass fishing tournament, but it was pretty funny. And then we had some live, you can see here, some live scoring coming in from an iPad app. You can see him catching that fish right there.

20:39 And so each boat had their own running score of fish. They would log those fish on an app on a phone. So it was all pretty seamless for us. and then towards the end of the show we had um or i should say throughout the show we had an ipad from the host feeding into the production so you could see the anglers on the ipad app you could

21:01 see them on the screen traveling um you know kind of all the different touch points for you to follow as the fan and then um we would follow them across the lake and whatever um we'd have at times we'd have a five up things like that and then that's cool all at the end of the bash uh tournament they They all collected at the shoreline.

21:20 And then there was a remote. You can see on the right-hand corner there was a remote cannon boat that then went to all the tied-up boats and interviewed them all at the end of the show. This was mostly kind of an experiment to see how they could do things differently. And it actually ended up being really cool. Lots of good feedback from people.

21:41 And so, yeah, it was a good time. There were some mistakes at the beginning, like any kind of experiment. but it's just super cool to be able to. So what you're looking at right here are GoPros. These are feeding into one of my client's custom built encoder boxes that ties into his system. But we then, I guess you could say redistribute via NDI

22:05 and all those different technologies through Nimble, Nimble Streamer, or not Streamer, but Nimble Server. And then those feed into production. production then feeds back into nimble and then redistributes to all the social media from there so we're redistributing to youtube facebook instagram all those different things from there and then um makes it kind of a single point of distribution um much like somebody would do with

22:33 restream or something like that it looks like i mean i'm not seeing any breakup is is this um in an area where cell towers are nearby or is this starlink or what's these are so each boat Let's see if I can find another shot of the boats. You can see here on the boat right here is one of my client's encoders built into one

22:54 of the poles in the back of the boat. And that white box that's sticking up near the rear there, that's a Starlink Mini. And then each of the encoders, technically speaking, we were running four different streams off that Starlink for each boat. So you had a chesty cam, you had the sonar, and then the two GoPros. And they were running all about one to two meg each.

23:21 Do you do something like a 20-second delay just in case one of the boats falls off the radar? No, we have so many options to go to. Like, we're not really worried about it. Everything was sub-second latency, so it was pretty straightforward. forward. Pretty much everything was in sync for the most part via the encoder using, you know, STI data. So for the most part, most everything was in sync.

23:53 When you say STI data, that allows those to all, the timing is realigning back up when it, so yeah, because it's just a single stream, right? So it's S-E-I, Sam, Edward, Indigo. go. And there is, it's basically embedding the timestamp in the, I just realized I might not necessarily have the rights to be broadcasting this much of this video. So I'll go back to my

24:18 camera. We'll just have to do an ad for Bass Pro Shops. And so they won't give us a take. So the SEI data, basically the timestamp embedding into the frame sequence, right? So So on the decoding side of the, on the listener side of the SRT connection, if you're trans, depends on which platform you're on. On Nimble, there's a NDI transcoder that can take the SCI data and resync the feeds.

24:50 But all the feeds have to be going through that encode to work. And then there's a buffer, basically you tell it how many frames or how many, how big of of a buffer you want them to all fit within as your your guidance on on how much to allow them to drift from each other yeah i've done that with um srt mini server where the sei time aligns back

25:13 uh but that's expensive compared to it's that you're doing something roll your roll your own this is well it's a mobile server so you're you're paying the technically speaking it's It's open source, but the server you're paying for the infrastructure, interfacing dashboard and the transcode licensing. One nice thing is our friend Jonas with CloudFlex has this built into their product. And so you don't have to know how to run that server and configure everything.

25:43 You can just work with him. I've tried. And spin up a flow engine and yeah. You can spin up a flow engine there and then make it all work on your end. And I'm not sure if he has an SEI data checkbox yet, but that's something I can talk to him about. So this was done in CloudFlex? Not this show, but after this show, I realized that building infrastructure on client accounts is probably not the future for me.

26:08 So I'll be spinning up my own CloudFlex to kind of help also push the limits of CloudFlex and help Jonas make a better product. So that's kind of my future. future. It's cool. I love it, man. Thanks for coming on and sharing this story because it's, it's what we did. I mean, and it's, and it's, you know, if we go to do a trade show or something

26:29 like that, the lessons that you learned from out in the field, uh, is that you? And so I did a little time lapse of me working the show. You guys always see the stuff behind me. This is, this is kind of how I use it in my day to day, but, um, I kind of pushed the limits of my, my Starlink connections and how to take some things off of my left screen there. But for the

26:47 the most part you can see that the top left monitoring all the programs so that all shows that are happening that's awesome you can see on the top right i have my server monitoring happening checking making sure i'm watching my loads and things like that very cool and this is all out in spokane washington just off out in the middle of nowhere yeah and if anybody says

27:08 you can't do remote production on starlink i prove i i prove them wrong every day that's awesome Awesome. So would it make sense to have two Starlinks and have them pointed at different parts of the sky? Or is that not necessarily true? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot. I mean, the discussion of Starlink is deep. But for the most part, what I do is I'll have a Starlink usually dedicated to like, because I'm at home, I'll have one dedicated to the family.

27:32 And in my router, I'll just relegate that whole VLAN off to one normal Starlink. And then what I'll do is I'll usually have two Starlinks. And yeah, I will point them different directions, one north, one south. And the only reason I do that is just for redundancy. Like as far as the service goes, you're really not going to notice much difference. There might be a drop packet here or there that you're avoiding by doing that, but you're going to get that drop packet by the transition from one to the other anyways.

28:04 So it's not really going to make a difference unless you're running speed fusion, you know, through a peplink or something like that where it's making up the difference. But the thing that I did notice this last show was I've always been on residential Starlink here, which is actually like a, it's like a, as far as like the normal consumer is concerned, it's like a tier three, like it's not the top level.

28:27 It's like two, three tiers down. It's not like the business or performance. Yeah. And it's done pretty good, but when you push it hard and when your frames matter, you actually get better service if you go to, if you're on a Roam plan with priority data, but they don't let you do priority data on the home network connections. So if you're locked in with your home Starlink and you're on the residential plan, you cannot

28:52 get priority data. You have to be on a Roam. So that's why I have my permanent install Starlink. And then I also have my roaming Starlink that I put up on tripods as needed. Nice. It looks like Bo has a question about your setup here. Courtney, you want to throw that one over to Zach? Yeah, this question comes pre-answered. Bo Carnal in Charleston, South Carolina says,

29:17 Zach, three to four cameras per boat. Super cool. What kind of cams? And how are you getting all those feeds into the cloud? We kind of touched. Yeah. So it's really kind of just a core concept. Getting a camera to the cloud requires you to have some sort of encoding happening. And the most modern way of doing that is SRT. That transport pipeline is pretty solid as long as your connection is good and understanding what latency means and how you can use it to your advantage.

29:46 SRT is another topic that goes super deep and you could do a lot of mathematics behind it to really fine tune it. But it's really complicated talking about network overhead and things like that. But if you're just looking for a one-stop shop solution, you know, starting at the top, you know, high vision products, they make SRT, they're the originators, they have really

30:05 solid products and Makitos are just fail safes. And then you can work your way down from all the different vendors and their options. But you can put any kind of camera into an encoder, send it upstream and bring it into the cloud. You just have to have a receiver somewhere in the cloud. If you're doing cloud production, if you're doing local production, you can do a local

30:22 receiver like SRT mini server, like Guy had mentioned. You can also do it directly into various different products. I believe Oliver's product will let you do an SRT. Yeah, what's cooking, Oliver, on the SRT front on the Mac? Anything new to report? Breaking news, SRT into the Mac. Well, in MemeLife, we now have a native SRT source. So, yeah, you can SRT into the Mac quite easily.

30:56 Yeah. So that was something that we talked on early on about was SRT with, with MIMO used to be, you know, just kind of a, you had to have a server somewhere and you'd have to use an FFM command to get into it. And I've done many shows that way. I've done submixing shows that way with MIMO live in the back of a production

31:14 truck. But having it directly built in, and it was a feature that I know I pushed for a long time ago and it's super awesome to see it coming to fruition. person. Very cool. All right, let's jump to the next question. All righty then. Next question comes in from down in Austin, Texas. Paul Valhous says, office hours incubator. What do you think?

31:39 We're not only a nonprofit, we can help our members sign up profitable enterprises or spin up profitable enterprises. Yeah. Courtney, what do you have to say on this one? You know, the way things are moving with AI, I'd be very nervous about trying to spin up a new company or a profitable enterprise these days because sooner or later, somebody is going to come along and vibe code your business out from under you.

32:07 Yeah, what's your moat, right? Yeah. Even Adobe. Paul keeps talking about, you know, the film business coming to Austin there, you know, and setting up, building brand new studios there. And they're getting ready to go, you know, become the production capital of Southwest. And every day I see all these film festivals with AI encoded films and the look of them is quite amazing.

32:34 The acting is yet to be final, you know, gotten fine tuned yet. but if you use real actors doing the voices, you can get some pretty realistic and amazing looking sci-fi films that you can turn out. How about a incubator that starts up a film production, a virtual film? I mean, an AI based film production company that hires real actors, real editors to do the editing and, you know,

33:00 to do the color correction, sound mixing, post-production, sound mixing, But everybody else's job is going to be handled by AI other than the writer, the main voice actors, and the editor, and the post-production sound supervisor. So maybe something like that might be possible. Let's go over to Jeffrey Powers. So, yeah, we do have an incubator, and it's called After Hours. And we've had a lot of things come through after hours.

33:37 So I'm a little confused because, you know, I remember, I can't remember his name, but the first one I remember was the wedding. It is during COVID, of course. This was the production to do weddings over Zoom. And, of course, that worked for a little while. But then, of course, things got to real life. And then that kind of fell through. through, we had the remotes, which made songs through, of

34:01 course, through office hours. And, and so we had a few, we have a few songs out there from that. And you know, even the whole zoom ISO was going through was kind of being built or or tested through office hours. I remember that times where I had zoom ISO open, I was doing this fun thing where I had a TV behind me and you bring in four people and then it would always just start to

34:28 shift around so person in top left-hand corner would all of a sudden move to the top right-hand corner everybody would shift so we yeah we've had some pretty successful and you know just testing type things this is it's already an incubator it's just for video and audio not for AI programming and maybe there is some ai programming in there too but uh it's it's nice that i can go to after hours and just

34:54 say hey i'm trying something i need some uh talking or some heads so i can do my put together and see if it works and i've got a whole bunch of people that are willing to come in and do that so i think we've already got that nice and oliver yeah so i'm i'm with uh i'm with uh courtney here I think software companies is not what you want to incubate right now.

35:28 So I built this tool that I wanted to use because I needed to use it. And it's like, I can give a short demo if you want me to. to... So it's called OlliTerm and it's basically a terminal program and the terminal program that's out there is like, you know, I didn't find anything that could keep a list of the hosts I wanted to access. And let me see if I have something here that I don't. And

36:09 And I shouldn't have, I should have prepared this more. But so I created this and, you know, and after I found out how to do this, I added this, you know, this file browser. browser. So if you are logged into a remote computer using SSH, you can see the files and the folders and you can basically copy and paste stuff up and, you know, upload and download stuff. And then I thought,

36:41 okay, um, I want to be able to not have to remember all the, uh, root passwords and pseudo passwords. So I built in like a feature that allowed me to save the the passwords and in the key chain. And then I'm like, okay, why don't we go into like, uh, the, uh, AI space? And why, why do I want to remember any commands? So I'm like,

37:08 yeah, let's add this AI feature where I can ask it how much space is on this, on this computer. So where, where's it pulling that from? What's, where's that going to? No, no. Oh, you need a cloud API. Yeah, yeah. It expired on this machine, unfortunately. But what I wanted to show you is that this took about a weekend to make. And then I thought, yeah, let me see if we can take this to market, right?

37:43 So I asked Claude to build me a website. And it did that. And the website is like my story. I told it what's my story, right? How do I want this? And, you know, it built me a nice help file. So, you know, the help stuff, it gives you all the information, you know, how the AI assistant works. works. And when it built this, I figured and I found out that it also had added keyboard

38:22 shortcuts, which I didn't ask it to, but it did it anyway. So this is a pretty amazing piece of software. But now the work required to actually put it on the App Store is more than what I would expect it to make back, right? Like, you know, two years ago, you would have been able to sell this for like, you know, 100 bucks or so or 150.

38:58 But now, you know, people who need this can go and build it for themselves in a weekend for like, you know, I'm using a subscription to cloud code so i don't even have to pay anything extra um for making this and so um yeah this is this is the this is the reality so what the incubator should do is figure out a way

39:25 how to you know make money in the future in you know in what ways and you know you said in the beginning, you know, drive Uber, but I'm like, yeah, that's also something where the Uber people have formed a union and are going after Uber, after the Waymo guys in New York City. So trying to prevent the self or it was in Boston, I don't know, any one of

39:58 of those cities and try to prevent the Waymo cars to go onto the streets so they don't take the Uber driver's jobs. And, you know, a couple of years ago, the taxi drivers protested that bringing an Uber would cost their jobs. And I think we are on the brink of, you know, a major problem as, you know, AI can take anyone's job and, you know, what, you know, as Elon Musk said, you know, work is optional now,

40:35 but, you know, how do you make money if there's no way for you to work? And this is a serious thing. Yeah. I think the heart of this question is how can we help each other get ahead? head yeah and i think the discussions that we have around the tools the ai the projects that we're building for ourselves all of that is knowledge that we can absorb and utilize for

41:03 ourselves i do it every time i listen to a show with all the great hosts that we have especially some of those more experienced seasoned technical guys i really absorb as much as i can And, you know, I look back at the days where, you know, I was trying to absorb as much as I could from Alex. And then it turned into, you know, Jonas.

41:26 And then it turned into just all the various different attachment points and fingers and branches of those people. And, you know, every time Mickey shuns me for my setup or how I'm doing it, I absorb it. Like it's not, it's all constructive. and if we take it that way, things like after hours, things like these live streams can really help push the community forward.

41:49 And the more important thing is if you have the time, participate in Discord, participate in after hours, and really that's where you'll find your biggest benefit. Yeah, it's so cool to see the evolution. I mean, accidentally or intentionally, these companies have been formed from after hours, Basecamp Global, global, as Mickey points out in the chat, liminal apps like Space, Space comms, Dash

42:16 Master. So in here, we have things where there's needs going on, and we see them. And John Wallace with his new core video app, he sees what's going on. And he goes, Oh, let me try to solve that with free software. And so there's putting his spin on it. There's there's things where some people want to just grab onto it and run and be a solopreneur,

42:41 and other people are like, hey, how can we work together? This morning I was in a pretty long session with a new member of the community, Jackson, and he's just a sharp dude, and he's helping me understand some of the GrokBot stuff that I built. He's like, ask it to export the code. We'll take it in a VS Code. We'll see if we can simplify it because this short studio thing was taking up about 100,000 tokens per episode,

43:03 episode and he helped me use this thing called Rive. Well, he did it. I didn't do it, but Rive is very cool where it understands the Python code that we had Grokbot build and it just shrank it down tremendously. So now we could do the same thing for a 10th of the tokens. So it's like when you start to get people that know what the heck they're talking about

43:26 and are real developers, and it's like, you don't know what you don't know. So yeah, yeah, sure, you could vibe code that, but if you've got a thousand episode catalog to do, not only are you going to waste time, but you can waste money on tokens unnecessarily just because you didn't know how to make code efficiently. So I'm excited to see what else evolves

43:42 out of the AI water cooler. So those sessions are on Friday. So that's one place where we could incubate. But yeah, feel free to dig in, Paul, learn as much as you can in there. And maybe somebody says, hey, let's take this to market. Yeah, we're a nonprofit. And some of the things that we learned here, or we could go take in and, you know, maybe make a commercial enterprise,

44:02 make the next Photoshop or wait, maybe don't make the next Photoshop. Let's go to the next question. Bad idea. All right. From John Ittleson in Monterey, California. I have to move my Schalz Pro. I think that's shocks. Shocks. Shocks Open Run Pro 2 probably that I need to move between a number of different Apple Mac computers and iPhones is there an easy way to easily

44:29 pair to the different devices yeah Courtney you raised your hand on an iPhone question put your hand down son you don't even know what people probably have the answer but what I found in doing this you know you pair them with all your devices and then you just have to because Apple and other Other computers as well have the tendency that once you've paired a Bluetooth pair of headphones with it and you have Bluetooth turned on, if you get into the range of that particular item and it isn't already paired up with something else at the moment, it'll switch over to whatever you're nearest.

45:07 So you could either turn off Bluetooth on the other devices whenever you're near them and have your shocks on. But the problem you're going to run into is after you pair them with each of those individual devices, that if you get near them and Bluetooth is turned on, they may switch inadvertently to something you may not want it to switch to. Zach, what do you say?

45:28 So I have a couple hanging off my speakers right over here. And what I found is it just comes down to proper Bluetooth management. You got to have the foresight to turn things on and off. off it's just it's not like apple where it automatically is going to follow you and there's no way you're going to add it to the technology so the best way to do is just to sanitize your

45:49 bluetooth process where you only have it on when you need it only have it off when you don't need it and um that like in my case having two of them allows me just to jump back and forth between headsets they just go on and off easy and move on um that's how i've overcome that issue so by two Oliver? Yeah, that's like knowing John Ittleton,

46:15 probably the solution is to buy just five or so and have them each wherever you need them. So there's some magic that Apple does that is not available to other Bluetooth windows that helps them make the air ports switch between devices so seamlessly. Although even they get it wrong sometimes when you're connected not to the correct device for some reason. But it works quite well.

46:54 But for other Bluetooth devices, the limit, I think, is two hosts that you connect them to. And the seamless switching is not always working really good. And so, yeah, just get more headsets. Jeffrey? Yeah, the big problem is that these things can do two devices at the same time. So if you forget as Zach said if you're not if you're not Really on the management of the Bluetooth all of a sudden you could be in after hours and on and then all of a sudden you

47:28 Get a phone call and next thing, you know, it patches over to the to your phone rather than your computer and you can't hear anything so One thing that I would recommend if you want to try it is instead bring the Bluetooth with you And of course, we have a lot of these little devices now that you can do so you can now

47:47 plug it into the into the behind the chair screen for the airplane so you can keep your air pods in your ears and and stuff like that you can definitely pair a pair of shocks yeah pair of pair of shocks into this thing and you just take this little dongle wherever you go and of course if you've got an iPhone you're gonna have to get an adapter that goes so you can actually plug the Bluetooth

48:11 in from there that is really the only thing I can think of that would be able able to do from one machine to the other. And there are some devices out there. It's like you can plug in several different 3.5 millimeter jacks into one Bluetooth and then have your headset. It's kind of like a KVM type switch for your Bluetooth device. And that's the only other way I can think of doing that.

48:39 Go ahead, Zach. Yeah, Jeffrey got to it right before I did. I totally forgot about those little Bluetooth dongles with a 3.5 inputs on them. I had bought one because I had all my systems running into an audio mixer and I plugged that device in. They have some that you can get that are both input or output. And so I had plugged it into the headphone out of my mixer and then I was able to submix all my systems into one headset.

49:09 That only works if you don't need microphone return. Right. but that worked really well and then the other option is to buy multiples of those and because they have a physical switch on them you can just simply reach over turn one off and to turn the other system on or whatever the case is so you can you can keep the one headset on and then walk

49:28 between rooms with different systems and turn them on and off as you arrive in then disembark and in the chat uh mickey was saying um uh or matthew leconte was saying john there is an option in the bluetooth settings to not connect automatically you can connect at will and uh i'm trying to remember how i routed mine because yeah there was there was a point i think i un

49:55 unchecked it i'm trying to remember but go go dig in in the bluetooth settings and and see um because yeah i had to uncheck something because it would like jump over no it's thoroughly annoyed all right let's jump over to uh content recommendations this is the part of the show where people that uh have joined the panel have the option of sharing something

50:16 that they a piece of media grand hates it when i say hey i read a great paper book that i really enjoyed and i want to share it with you he wants media so courtney we'll kick it off with you Well, you know, earlier I talked about how AI is taking all of our production jobs. And here's a perfect example that I've been looking at. I've been watching how AI is doing on image generation and the realism that you're able to achieve on with artificial faces and actors.

50:46 And there's this guy called Gossip Goblin, his name is Jack London, and he has released this film called Pomegranate, which is just a short, which you can find online on YouTube somewhere. But he used real actors, like I mentioned earlier, and for doing sci-fi stuff, the image generation, this is, I think, the trailer for it, but the whole thing is here with the subtitles.

51:15 titles, but you can see the level of realism that is available in this particular film, 30-minute film. And he's released a feature, he's releasing a feature film called Gods Don't Give Gifts, which has portions, I actually think, of the video from this film in it, but a full-length feature film that's going to be released in theaters. And his process is similar to like a, you know, a regular film production process where

51:43 They generate looks and they have people that are generating stills in Midjourney and other devices, other AI generative devices to generate the actors' looks, the looks of all the different worlds this guy is feeling. This film, Pomegranate, is kind of a takeoff on Philip K. Dick's We Can Thank It For You Wholesale, I think, which is the basis of Total Recall, where a guy has all these dreams.

52:18 He goes to this place where he plugs into Jackson to his his subcortex and plays back where he he inhabits all these different people and creatures and vacations like like in Total Recall. And he becomes all these different people, which is pretty amazing. But anyway, interesting called Pomegranate. If you look for it out there, you can find the whole film and look at the trailer that he just dropped for.

52:45 gods don't give gifts which will be coming to a theater near you and employing all of the people in the film industry near you near you especially near you because you're just right down the road Courtney yeah that's crazy Oliver you and I jump up next yeah so this is another thing that you don't you're not able to do with AI is like you're not able to travel around the

53:13 world like this guy is trying to do with this electric truck. So this is a converted semi truck, European one converted to a expedition thingy and this guy is trying to to drive around the world with less than 80 recharges. So he started in Germany and he's going eastwards through Asia and then Australia and then North America, South America, and then back across the Atlantic to Portugal and back to Germany.

53:58 And he's trying to do it with less than 80 times recharging. So that is quite amazing. And he makes great videos about electric mobility and how far you can take it. Very cool. Zach? Yeah. We all know the Veritasium channel. They did a great video this week, I believe, on fiber optic cables. so they tell the whole history of where it came from they're showing right now that the science

54:37 project that actually invented the fiber optic cable um and then it was just it's interesting to go down the history and to hear where it all started why it failed why it succeeded who did what you know the whole timeline of things um how it you know didn't transmit video light very far and then it did all the different transitions of technology improvement over the course of

55:01 of decades and decades of research and constant improvement in scientific research. I just found that super, super very interesting. Nice. As Grant would say, good one. Jeffrey Powers, good one. So you know that last year I went to Dublin, Ireland to catch the Pittsburgh, Minnesota game. And of course they sent me there to do a couple videos on. And the one thing that I got really interested

55:30 was their their rugby and and not because of the rugby but more because of the production that the rugby game was doing where we had they had these cameras and they're just canon cameras on a pole going through going through a monitor and then of course that was going through OBS and then there's then the production there's a couple of the cameras we got a couple more cameras

55:53 right here so these are on like 10 15 foot poles and they have ways to actually move them around and zoom in on them and everything like that and and so I I started thinking to myself well you know it's there's a lot of sports that are out there this is the Lansdowne Football Club in Dublin by the way there and they

56:15 were live streaming there's a lot of a lot of live streams going on so what I do is I try to scan around YouTube and find these videos and then kind of pull them up and see how they're doing and how they're running because you know A lot of the productions on these are getting a lot better and a lot better. Looking at football and then, of course, looking at American football,

56:39 all the high school channels, some of these are done by trucks like... And I had his name in my head, and I was getting ready to tie one of our own office hoursers that does... I can't think of his name. Anyway, but yeah, he used to have a truck, and he used to go out to high school sports and actually do a full production on that.

57:01 But some of these people are getting very creative with iPhones and with OBSBOT and with the YOLO boxes and the talents and all that stuff. So they're really just putting together productions for these types of high school football games. And some of them have lower thirds. Some of them have graphics. They have cutaways. They have commercials. They have sponsors. And it's really you know, they might be using vMix

57:28 They might be using memo live or anything like that and then just creating a more production team a production game And then they do a rinse and some of them have been doing rinse and repeats where once again They they put together a truck they go out to the high school games. They cover the multiple games in the area and Make a good living off of it

57:49 And of course the quality on a lot of these videos is pretty decent. And it takes me even back to the days that I was running cameras across the football field for high school games. And it's just a lot different nowadays. Yeah. You don't have all that triax and it's, it's in color these days, Jeffrey. Yeah, that's true. That's true. And I don't have to have this thing on my shoulder.

58:11 That's good. Ah, this hurts. Now I have this little thing that goes, ah, this hurts. We were in black and white and we liked it. It was all black and white. We loved it. Yeah, absolutely. We loved having no chroma. All right. I'll go with my next. This one here that I just watched on Netflix last night. It popped up in my feed, and I normally wouldn't jump in and recommend something political,

58:34 but there is, as Sky Gleason, our friend from Office Hours, would say, there's a lot of really good journalistic things to learn from this reporter, Seymour Hirsch. Courtney, have you heard of him? Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's written a few articles at Costas. Yeah. And yeah, he wrote a lot of stuff for the Times and even, yeah, you just have to watch it.

58:59 But it's fascinating to hear somebody speak in this manner. He was really the go-to guy for any important story that somebody wanted to break that was highly classified. He became people from the CIA or FBI, these folks that wanted to let the public know about something that should be known about so that there was some Vietnam stuff. It's fascinating. I highly recommend watching it.

59:28 It's worth the watch. And with that, we're going to wrap it up. I want to thank our crew. We had Alan, Robert, Vic, Jackson, Taylor, and Peter. Thanks, guys, for running the show. and we are powered by VizVector on this show. Thanks to those guys. Tele-Troversal, episode 2393, 13,000 miles, 21,000 kilometers, 102 million bananas for scale. With that, we wrap up this episode.

59:57 Thank you for watching. you you Thank you.