Any good options for controlling individual audio levels for apps, browsers, et cetera, on a Mac? Rogues. This is Rogue Amoeba's Sound Source is one example I found, but I'm open to alternatives.

28:24You know, there you got a rain on my parade. A little toxic smoke is good for people. I think so. Next question. All right, this one's from Brian Carney in Wheaton, Illinois. Any good options for controlling individual audio levels for apps, browsers, et cetera, on a Mac? Rogues. This is Rogue Amoeba's sound source is one example I found, but I'm open to alternatives.

28:47Is that the one with the octopus? Do you know the one with the octopus? Jason. One with the octopus? No, I don't think it's one with the octopus, but I'm going to give you a couple of alternatives. And of course, since we were talking about turning it to 11, I will also just make it insane too. So yeah, you can absolutely use Audio Hijack and you can map anything you want and basically just have it set to turn on.

29:15SoundDesk, which Fenwick has used pretty successfully, at least at some point, to do very similar versions of this with a, what was it called? That tiny little, like, you know, keyboard-sized channel mixer. A Korg Nano Controller. Korg Nano Controller. Thank you. Yeah, I had the predecessor of it. And then if you really want to just be absolutely crazy and you absolutely need motorized faders, anything that you need, like truly, the X-Touch can be programmed to do anything under the sun.

29:49And you even have – you can name your apps and put them right up there, and it's yours for turning it to $11. Alexander? I don't much to that. I mean, I will say I haven't found a better solution than the Rogamiba app. But I have to say, this should be built into macOS. This has been a feature that's been built into Windows for years.

30:14And I don't understand why Apple hasn't built it in. But it should be there. Chris? So, yeah, I apologize. I forgot your name. Brian. So, Brian, if you go to – I was trying to just find it for you. If you go to Office.rsa.global on the YouTube and you look through the live shows because it was live and you look for – it's going to be – it might be Korg Nano Controller.

30:45It might be Loopback. It might be SoundDesk. we did a we did a one hour long presentation with me and alex lindsey and i walked alex lindsey through how i do this and it was a lab that we did one day and i will tell you spoiler alert it's not entirely easy i agree with alexander that it would be cool if it was built in the

31:12Mac OS, it's not. But essentially what you do is I use loopback to grab audio sources, and I send them into Sound Desk so that I can control the audio sources. And then I use the Korg Nano Controller so that I have a physical fader for all those audio sources. And those those audio sources can be individual apps. And if it's the kind of thing you need to do,

31:43it's worth doing. I use it, Jason said, at least Fenwick used to do this. No, I still use it, and I use it every single day, and it is crucial to my workflow that I use, I love it, I love it, and I'm really glad I put the time into figuring out how to do it, and it's absolutely worthwhile. It's a great example of Chris's

32:07doing the thinking ahead of time so that you don't have to do it. There is an 11-minute version cut out of that show that we uploaded as a VOD. It was a very successful VOD. I was not cut out of that show. That was actually the tease for that show. Oh, well, this is called Tutorial Loopback and Sound Desk. And so that 11-minute video

32:24is not complete enough to teach you how to do it. The purpose of making that video was a primer for the lab. It's like, this is what we're going to do. And we're going to get... You can tell he's an editor, folks? We're going to get much deeper into it in the lab. So don't watch the 11-minute one thinking you're going to understand it.